We started to discuss lesson #3 today and will continue with it next week. Next sunday will be the last day to sign up for the Talent Quest and recieve your $5. If you haven't signed up yet and you are interested, make sure that you sign up Sunday.
Some prayers and praises this week were for:
Matt's boss
Matt at work
Bruce and the quartet
Maylia in ICU and her family
Kyle and Keely in their new house
Mike and Anne's new neice Jenna
Chloe doing better
Lynne's friend's dad starting Chemo
Stacey's Job situtation
Stacey and baby Jackson
Lisa doing well, got a promotion
Please be ready to continue with lesson #3 next week and we will see you then.
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I wonder if the basis of all sin being equal is from Romans 6:23 where it states, "The Wages of Sin is death" thus implying that no matter the gravity of sin, the result is death? Of course it goes on to say that Jesus gave us an out...
James 2:10 also states that, whoever keeps the law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Rev. 21:8 also talks about sinners, and along with murderers, idolaters, sexually immoral, etc... is listed "liars" and all of those will burn in the lake of fiery sulfer...
Other verses that sort of lead to this... Eze. 18:26, Eze. 33:18, 1 Cor. 6:9-10, Gen. 2:17 (a single act of disobedience brought death to them)
BUT... the Bible does talk of a Mortal Sin: Mark 3:29-30 (blaspheme against the Holy Spirit)
This also can bring about the discussion of the Catholic views of "venial and Mortal sin" I don't know much about that but maybe Carla could share a bit about that next week?
I would think that might also be based from I John 5:16-17 where it says that there is some sin that does not lead to death...
And Kurt, the verse I think you were talking about is John 19:11
"Jesus answered, "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin."
I don't know if any of this helps but here are at least a few verses we can discuss ;)
Guys: The garage sale people need help tearing down tables Friday. I told them I'd try to get some people from our class to be there to help - you know, a table tear-down task force. If you can make it, please try to be at the church between 5:00 and 5:30.
Yeah, I was thinking of John 19:11. I found it just as soon as everyone left on Sunday. I think Jen's right with the Romans 6:23 statement, though. There are sins that, by human standards, are worse than others. However, we all sin, no matter what that sin may be, and we are all in need of salvation (the I John 5:16-17 passage is pretty confusing. Anyone have ideas what it means?). So in the grand scheme of things, all sins are equal because they all require repentance.
I guess maybe it's kind of like losing a baseball game. Whether you lose 2-1 or 66-0 (which apparently actually happened to a Japanese high school team) doesn't really matter. It's still just a loss in the records.
from John Wesley's Explanatory Notes:
(notes on 1 John 5:16-17)
Verse 16
[16] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
This extends to things of the greatest importance.
If any one see his brother — That is. any man.
Sin a sin which is not unto death — That is, any sin but total apostasy from both the power and form of godliness.
Let him ask, and God will give him life — Pardon and spiritual life, for that sinner.
There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for that — That is, let him not pray for it. A sin unto death may likewise mean, one which God has determined to punish with death.
Verse 17
[17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
All deviation from perfect holiness is sin; but all sin is not unpardonable.
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My added 2 cents:
all sin is not unpardonable... that is the key... those are the sins that don't lead to death - because forgiveness can be granted by God - through his grace.
apostasy (renouncing of one's faith in God) is the unpardonable sin. much the same/if not actually the same as blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. (mark 3:29)
"blasphemy" means "the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God; the act of claiming the attributes of deity; irreverence toward something considered sacred."
apostasy & blasphemy seem to be connected.
the second dilemma here is doctrinal differences between Wesley and Calvin. Calvin would think that a believer could never renounce his faith... Wesley seems to think otherwise.
food for thought... should be much to discuss Sunday!
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